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	<description>Learning a savanna in Panama, plant by plant</description>
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		<title>By: panamacoffee</title>
		<link>http://ntsavanna.wordpress.com/2006/10/12/immortal-banana/#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>panamacoffee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the link to the very interesting article on leaf persistence in Cordyline. The idea of old leaves helping insulate stems against either cold or the heat of fires is fascinating.

I had had one of the same thoughts as you about banana skirts - possible protection from too much sun - but I hadn&#039;t thought about the mulch idea to suppress competition. Of course bananas want their &quot;babies&quot; (that&#039;s what they call the young shoots here) to survive, and those shoots are quite close to the &quot;mother&quot; stalk, but the skirts might supress grass and other weeds. Good idea.

Also, the Geranium maderense story is intriguing. Thanks for relating it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the link to the very interesting article on leaf persistence in Cordyline. The idea of old leaves helping insulate stems against either cold or the heat of fires is fascinating.</p>
<p>I had had one of the same thoughts as you about banana skirts &#8211; possible protection from too much sun &#8211; but I hadn&#8217;t thought about the mulch idea to suppress competition. Of course bananas want their &#8220;babies&#8221; (that&#8217;s what they call the young shoots here) to survive, and those shoots are quite close to the &#8220;mother&#8221; stalk, but the skirts might supress grass and other weeds. Good idea.</p>
<p>Also, the Geranium maderense story is intriguing. Thanks for relating it.</p>
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		<title>By: nuytsia</title>
		<link>http://ntsavanna.wordpress.com/2006/10/12/immortal-banana/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>nuytsia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 12:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mary,

The question on the leaves is interesting. In the case of Musa, as I understand it, although the lamina dies, the petiole persists to form part of the &quot;stem&quot; so the leaf (or part of it) remains for quite some time.
But is their a role for the leaf skirt? I&#039;d assume this is a natural state so there might not be any significance in it&#039;s persistance, but some beneficial roles might be 
1) Thermal insulation - protecting the &quot;stem&quot; from too much sun or cold for that matter.
2) Mulch around base to suppress competition
but I&#039;m just guessing...

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rsnz.org/publish/nzjb/2004/047.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This abstract&lt;/a&gt; seems to suggest that leaf persistance in Cordyline is linked to insulation from the cold. Here in Australia, Xanthorrhea (Grass trees) retain thier leaves and this helps insulates their stems from the heat of fires.

Working in a nursery about ten years ago I observed a rather interesting leaf skirt in Geranium maderense. It&#039;s usually biennual and the hypocotyl tends to be a bit spindly. However as the rosette develops the thick petioles of the older leaves are pushed down onto the soil. As the plant gets larger these old leaves effectively form a series of props to hold the plant stable. When it flowers it produces a rather huge infloresence all supplied with water by a hypocotyl barely thicker than a pencil. From what I observed it seems to avoid toppling over because of it&#039;s skirt.
A rather cool trick, I thought.

Anyway I&#039;d be interested to know if functions for this skirt are known.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mary,</p>
<p>The question on the leaves is interesting. In the case of Musa, as I understand it, although the lamina dies, the petiole persists to form part of the &#8220;stem&#8221; so the leaf (or part of it) remains for quite some time.<br />
But is their a role for the leaf skirt? I&#8217;d assume this is a natural state so there might not be any significance in it&#8217;s persistance, but some beneficial roles might be<br />
1) Thermal insulation &#8211; protecting the &#8220;stem&#8221; from too much sun or cold for that matter.<br />
2) Mulch around base to suppress competition<br />
but I&#8217;m just guessing&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rsnz.org/publish/nzjb/2004/047.php" rel="nofollow">This abstract</a> seems to suggest that leaf persistance in Cordyline is linked to insulation from the cold. Here in Australia, Xanthorrhea (Grass trees) retain thier leaves and this helps insulates their stems from the heat of fires.</p>
<p>Working in a nursery about ten years ago I observed a rather interesting leaf skirt in Geranium maderense. It&#8217;s usually biennual and the hypocotyl tends to be a bit spindly. However as the rosette develops the thick petioles of the older leaves are pushed down onto the soil. As the plant gets larger these old leaves effectively form a series of props to hold the plant stable. When it flowers it produces a rather huge infloresence all supplied with water by a hypocotyl barely thicker than a pencil. From what I observed it seems to avoid toppling over because of it&#8217;s skirt.<br />
A rather cool trick, I thought.</p>
<p>Anyway I&#8217;d be interested to know if functions for this skirt are known.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://ntsavanna.wordpress.com/2006/10/12/immortal-banana/#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andee - you&#039;re exactly right about the taste of these locally grown bananas, nothing at all like the supermarket variety we get in the US. And no surprise that some should consider it the fruit in the Garden of Eden.

I&#039;m so glad you mentioned the taste, and your experiences with local bananas. I sometimes, more often than I should, actually, wear blinders and see only a narrow portion of something I&#039;m looking at. Good to have a broader view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andee &#8211; you&#8217;re exactly right about the taste of these locally grown bananas, nothing at all like the supermarket variety we get in the US. And no surprise that some should consider it the fruit in the Garden of Eden.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m so glad you mentioned the taste, and your experiences with local bananas. I sometimes, more often than I should, actually, wear blinders and see only a narrow portion of something I&#8217;m looking at. Good to have a broader view.</p>
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		<title>By: Andee</title>
		<link>http://ntsavanna.wordpress.com/2006/10/12/immortal-banana/#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>Andee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I have read is several places than some people believe that bananas, not apples, were the fruit in the Garden of Eden. Metaphorically speaking of course. I love the little sweet bananas that grow around here. My neighbors seem to regularly wander off in the dense greenery around here, with their machetes, and return in a bit with giant &quot;clumps&quot; or whatever they&#039;re called. I am always give some. Or it seems that way. Often a little kid shows up at the door with an &quot;ear&quot;, a &quot;fan&quot;, and &quot;palm&quot; or whatever  they are called. So I ask who sent them over and tip the kids. And thank the adult who gatheed them later. They are sooo good. Even the regular bananas, the dessert bananas, I guess, are so delicious here. I guess because they are picked locally, and almost ripe. Sorry, this isn&#039;t a very scientific post. A.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I have read is several places than some people believe that bananas, not apples, were the fruit in the Garden of Eden. Metaphorically speaking of course. I love the little sweet bananas that grow around here. My neighbors seem to regularly wander off in the dense greenery around here, with their machetes, and return in a bit with giant &#8220;clumps&#8221; or whatever they&#8217;re called. I am always give some. Or it seems that way. Often a little kid shows up at the door with an &#8220;ear&#8221;, a &#8220;fan&#8221;, and &#8220;palm&#8221; or whatever  they are called. So I ask who sent them over and tip the kids. And thank the adult who gatheed them later. They are sooo good. Even the regular bananas, the dessert bananas, I guess, are so delicious here. I guess because they are picked locally, and almost ripe. Sorry, this isn&#8217;t a very scientific post. A.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andee - guilty as charged.

Wayne - I was surprised, too. Now that I&#039;m in Panama, though, where bananas are such an important part of the cuisine, I have a thought about that. Green bananas - not plantains, but green bananas - are sold in larger numbers here than sweet bananas, known as dessert bananas. The green ones are cooked like plantains and are used as a starch. I can see cultivating a starch like this because you can use it immediately, without grinding or any other processing.

Another common starch here, yuca (cassava or manioc), is also cultivated by cloning and was also domesticated very early. I could get carried away by the idea of cloning vs seed propagation as the earliest agricultural technique except I read somewhere that the orange was in fact the very earliest domesticated food!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andee &#8211; guilty as charged.</p>
<p>Wayne &#8211; I was surprised, too. Now that I&#8217;m in Panama, though, where bananas are such an important part of the cuisine, I have a thought about that. Green bananas &#8211; not plantains, but green bananas &#8211; are sold in larger numbers here than sweet bananas, known as dessert bananas. The green ones are cooked like plantains and are used as a starch. I can see cultivating a starch like this because you can use it immediately, without grinding or any other processing.</p>
<p>Another common starch here, yuca (cassava or manioc), is also cultivated by cloning and was also domesticated very early. I could get carried away by the idea of cloning vs seed propagation as the earliest agricultural technique except I read somewhere that the orange was in fact the very earliest domesticated food!</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
		<link>http://ntsavanna.wordpress.com/2006/10/12/immortal-banana/#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s been awhile since I studied bananas but I do recall that the plant as an agricultural seedless predates maize, wheat, rice and just about every other crop plant.  It struck me as quite a mystery as to how it became so domesticated such a long time before others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been awhile since I studied bananas but I do recall that the plant as an agricultural seedless predates maize, wheat, rice and just about every other crop plant.  It struck me as quite a mystery as to how it became so domesticated such a long time before others.</p>
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		<title>By: Andee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I am looking for a Mary, who has posted on my gardening blog. I couldn&#039;t find a profile or whatever, so I am writing blindly here. Please write me if you are the correct person. 

Andee</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I am looking for a Mary, who has posted on my gardening blog. I couldn&#8217;t find a profile or whatever, so I am writing blindly here. Please write me if you are the correct person. </p>
<p>Andee</p>
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